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022 BKFC fighter DREW “HARD BODY” NOLAN
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Drew Nolan is a Bare Knuckle fighter with BKFC. He will be fighting at the July 3 2026 event in Philadelphia PA . If ya haven’t heard of him yet, now’s a good time to meet him. Enjoy!
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So you were looking for something to listen to, and you ended up here. What's up? My name is Ethan, and I'm the host of the show. Over the past 25 years, I've had a wild group of people walk through my tattoo shop and tell me some of the craziest stories you would never hear unless you were sitting in that chair. I've invited a few of these maniacs to join me and talk about everything, anything, and nothing. Whether it's about UFOs, aliens, food, conspiracies, or whatever, you're sure to be entertained and probably get a laugh out of it. Or you're gonna think we're a bunch of nutjobs and never come back again. Either way, you're here with us now, so sit back, relax, take cruise control, and enjoy the ride. I can't believe all the people around. Okay, we're rolling, we're live. This is the Cat and Chat Podcast, and it's Tuesday, and you're listening to your favorite or not favorite people. I'm gonna dominate the conversation and maybe these guys will get a word in. Jump in. As usual. Josh, Renee, what's up?
SPEAKER_01What's happening?
SPEAKER_06How are you guys doing today? Good, good. How are you? Pretty pretty fantastical. You were talking about some pretty cool stuff leading up to this that I wanted to talk about on air, but we have a special guest today. We do. It's pretty cool. We got we have a guy, his name is Drew Nolan. He's uh a bare knuckle fighting championship fighter.
SPEAKER_01I love me some fighting.
SPEAKER_06And uh we're gonna get him on the horn right now.
SPEAKER_01Let's go.
SPEAKER_06On the horn.
SPEAKER_01On the horn.
SPEAKER_06And so when I get him on the phone, I start doing that stuff with how he's on hold and stuff. Hey, I'm gonna hang in your hold for a little bit when you hear the just speak French to him. I will. Hello! Can you hear me? I can.
SPEAKER_03Sweet. I'm gonna have to put you on hold for a second to fix this. Sure, sure.
SPEAKER_01Veuillez patienter.
SPEAKER_09There's a Spanish machine speaking to me right now.
SPEAKER_08Okay. No, well, it really wasn't. It was it was Renee. She's French and she speaks French. We were just we were just messing with you. Spanish.
SPEAKER_04She does see I don't know the difference. She does the shit and she'll do this voice. I'm like, it sounds like she's like the the hold operator.
SPEAKER_07So I'm like, let's tell him let's tell them we're gonna put him on hold real quick, and then just have her talk. And she starts talking like hey, someone's talking Spanish on the line.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, that's great.
SPEAKER_06That was good. Surprise. Welcome to the Tat and Chat Podcast, man.
SPEAKER_09Thank you. Thank you. I'm happy to be here, guys. I'm happy to be here.
SPEAKER_06So you got Josh with me and Renee and uh me, Ethan. We're you're on uh you're live with us talking about whatever the hell you want to talk about. We thought about let's not even talk about anything that you want to talk about, and we'll just talk about what we want to talk about. Like I have some sandwiches and all this stuff, but then we thought, well, we should probably not treat our guests that way.
SPEAKER_09Or should we hey I I I'm here for you guys, your entertainment, and you guys had a great icebreaker. Let's keep rolling.
SPEAKER_06So, what's going on, Drew? So you're uh I got I got a little bio on here. I'm gonna read a little bit of uh of it. You're it looks like you were born in Schenectady, and uh you're you're currently fighting out of uh Cadillac, Michigan, right?
SPEAKER_09Cadillac, Michigan, sure, sure. I that's what that's I I actually live um about eight miles out. We have a homestead, about six-acre homestead outside of uh Cadillac, Michigan.
SPEAKER_06Oh, that's sweet. So you have like a farm and stuff?
SPEAKER_01He's a homesteader, too. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_09Oh yeah, yeah. Whatever I could do to kind of disconnect myself and make myself a little bit more uh self self-reliant.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's uh that's the challenge these days.
SPEAKER_01Do you have a bare knuckle farm stand, bro?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I mean, I do have a ring, uh 12 by 12 ring in my uh little compound. That's awesome. That's cool. I have uh, you know, some hanging heavy bags, and you know, I uh I got my friend out here. I fly him out to uh have us beat the crap out of each other a little bit, you know.
SPEAKER_06That's awesome. Yeah, I see you uh you have a couple kids, so you do you have them uh going in the ring and hitting the heavy bag, getting ready for for the flight?
SPEAKER_09Absolutely. As soon as they can walk, they're putting the gloves on.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I feel like if if you're a fighter of any kind, like professionally, you you you you're pretty much training your kids, right? You you guys gotta be the first thing on your on your on your mind. Like, my kids are gonna know how to fight.
SPEAKER_09It's like the a second nature to them. They don't even understand it's something uh unique. You know?
SPEAKER_06Well, yeah, I mean they just know they see you do it, they've been seeing you do it, and it's just a part of their life. I mean, my kids think tattoos are normal. I'm a tattoo artist and they just think it's normal, but not everybody does tattoos. Well, these days everybody's doing tattoos, so who knows?
SPEAKER_09I remember uh I don't I oh God, I apologize. I was gonna say, uh, I I I actually met you when you were opening up in Hagensburg a long time ago.
SPEAKER_06Where I don't know where which what do you know what shop it was?
SPEAKER_09Uh your f your first shop, I'm assuming. Um like you you were you just had moved into Hartensburg. You end up doing a tattoo on one of my friends. It was actually a re reproduction tattoo of mine that I had on my knuckles, hard body. Oh, it was You did it on uh Trevor Trevor Harris.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's funny you say that because I was reading your bio and stuff, or I saw something somewhere where it said hard body, and they called you maybe they called you hard body in one of the fights. I was watching it's my nickname, yeah. Yeah, and and uh and uh yeah, and I was thinking, oh, I tattooed this kid, Trevor.
SPEAKER_09And I said, You better have a hard body forever, Trevor, because right now you don't well for Trevor, for us, for for you, it's not necessarily the definition of body, it's more of a state of mind, how you attack life, you know? Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_01I like that.
SPEAKER_09Well, yeah, he he uh he's got a lot, he seems to like copy a lot of tattoos, but I'm flattered. He's a good you know, I went to grade school with him, and you know, our friends from elementary school are always the weirdest, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean I'm gonna get dad body tattooed on my knuckles. Dad body go you should have it.
SPEAKER_06It's probably already been done. I love it.
SPEAKER_01I love it so much. Dad bod for life.
SPEAKER_06Dad bod. I love it. I love it. Four. But you have to get your dad bod four. That's it with a number the number four, because you can't put any can't you can't. Well, you can probably get dad, put the B here, and that's just O D for O.
SPEAKER_01Use your freaking thumbs, bro.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, you can't. You can spell daddy with an uh I and a one.
SPEAKER_01No, we don't do that around here.
SPEAKER_06Or you make it so you lock your knuckles together and then it says it. So when it's just like on your knuckles, it's all these random letters. Like, what the fuck does that say? So creative.
SPEAKER_04So Drew. Exactly.
SPEAKER_06Yes, so so you're doing the so what how'd you get into the bare knuckle fighting? I you know, I've seen it a few times, and actually, since uh since you sent me a message and we were talking about um because that's pretty intense.
SPEAKER_01Like it's it's it's legit warrior style, like it's street fighting to the core.
SPEAKER_09It is it is there's nothing like it. It's like uh you know 120 mile per hour car crash, and I I couldn't dream of doing it any other way. I mean, I fought MMA. I fought MMA, I fought uh professional boxing. Um the road just led there, you know. I uh I was able to uh work with a a lot of people along the way. I met uh uh uh Philly uh Philly from these, uh, which is Glover Tishera and Alex Pereira's coach at a Christy Martin show that I had fought at. I don't know, kind of like spiraled into this. Um it seemed that if I was going to get into an organization, I wasn't gonna get into UFC. I didn't feel like I had the pedigree for that. But I had a pedigree to move forward and bite down on my mouth guard and kick some ass, you know. So, you know, I went to a I went to a tryouts, uh, they liked what they seen, and uh, you know, they made me a company man, you know. They they signed me to 2028, and you know, now I'm fighting on the biggest show that they have here, uh, July 3rd, uh America's 20th our 250th anniversary, and I'm excited, you know.
SPEAKER_01Listen, we want some tickets, we're ready to go watch it. We'll we scream so loud. We're we're cheerleader power over here.
SPEAKER_09It's hostile. That's it.
SPEAKER_06We should actually try to go down to that. That'd be cool. You should know us.
SPEAKER_03Is it the same rules? Like, can you is there takedowns and submissions and stuff?
SPEAKER_09No, no take, no takedown or submissions. Um, but we can clinch. Uh obviously no gloves. Uh we can glitch. Uh they're two-minute rounds, but we start from the center of the ring. We don't start from corners. We start in striking distance. Yeah, so we start in striking distance. Yeah. Um, so I can grab them, I can hold their hands, I can hit their hands. Um, you can't hit below the waist, obviously. You can't hit um anything uh like that. There's no kicks. Um you can open your hands, but um it's more to grab somebody in, pull somebody in, move, pumble, uh, pay uh, you know, parry their parry their jab. Um, but it it's a it's a good mixture to understand uh being from uh a wrestling background and a boxing background. So if that makes any sense.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so I mean it's just really you can take a punch, you can dish out a punch, have some boxing boxing experience, maybe MMA will guide you through this a little bit, but you just gotta be a bad motherfucker.
SPEAKER_01You do.
SPEAKER_09Straight out. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta have a little screw loose to want to do this. Yeah, too. Definitely.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, you gotta have the balls to try because it's like I mean, I see some of those guys on there, and I I I was watching a couple of your fights.
SPEAKER_01I love this shit so much.
SPEAKER_06I know, I'm watching these fights, I'm like, man, these guys, I I mean, I've watched it before, but I'm just I was watching some of your fights. I was like, man, these guys are just hammered. I mean, bear, I mean, everybody knows that, you know, anybody that's been into a fight knows that throwing enough punches that you you know you threw them, and then getting hit by someone doing the same back to you, you know you got hit. And when I see some of these fights, man, they're going, I'm like, man, they got hit way too many times. They probably have brain damage. There's probably some people.
SPEAKER_01Dude, listen, I'm such a Kimball Slice fan, so bare knuckle fights. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_09That's I that is that is the godfather of our sport, right there.
SPEAKER_01Isn't it? I've been to a few UFC live. Like, I watched George Saint Pierre win his title in Montreal, but like I love fighting stuff. Like it's so I'm a true fan. Um two minutes is a long time. Do you really stand that long? Be honest.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, no, it's it it it is it is like an eternity. It's a it's it's wonderful. Honestly, it's like with that two minutes, you get an opportunity to stop time. Right. Like it's it's it's the slowest two minutes of your life. Forever. Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_01Oh, time is ticking. 30 seconds is a long time in a street fight, so I can imagine two minutes twice.
SPEAKER_03Well, let's talk about this when we when we sign them up to come on. And like, I've been in a lot of fights, and I don't mind getting punched in the face. I kind of like it. But by a professional, like a professional fighter is different. You're bare knuckle with a professional. I don't I don't think I want any of that.
SPEAKER_01That's like that power slap stuff. I love slapping a bitch, but like I uh do I want to stand at that podium? Yeah, not with a professional slapper y'all.
SPEAKER_09That you will fly. I'm not gonna take no unprotected shot for for free. That's crazy. Like I wouldn't do that slap stuff.
SPEAKER_01Oh, that power slap.
SPEAKER_09I think that's a little that's too much for me.
SPEAKER_06Well, at least at least you're like you're able to dodge, you know what I mean? When you're when you're doing a bare knuckle, yeah, it's bare knuckle, and you're smashing each other's faces really goddamn hard. But you're watching it, you're pulling yourself away, you're trying to use, yeah, you're using your skill set, but slapping across the face. Like I honestly can't believe uh that uh Dana kind of backed. I think I don't know if he's still doing it or or or if he was, but like I'm like, it just seems like such a different direction next to like UFC or a fight, you know?
SPEAKER_01He does back that power slap stock.
SPEAKER_09I mean, BKFC is paying more at the trajectory for their guys and their curses than UFC is. And you know, we've only been around now for eight eight years.
SPEAKER_06It's that it's that so so um 2000, yeah, 2018. So it's worth your while. So Kimbo really is Kimbo really is the is the godfather of baronockle fighting.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, no, like it started it, it started in South Florida. Um and and I would have to say that the Hard Rock Cafe um is is definitely the the center of BKFC, but like we're all over the world now, like everywhere. Everywhere around the world. Yeah, I guess I I know right after my right after my show in Philadelphia, they're going to Naples, Italy again. Wow for a second time. Nice. That's you know, and then they'll be going to um Uruguay, where where else? They're everywhere. That kind of United Kingdom has a big concha trade, too.
SPEAKER_01We're we'll take tickets.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_01We're not against any cities.
SPEAKER_06My address is one awesome street. Put us on the guest list and we'll uh we'll be there, bro.
SPEAKER_01We'll be there, bro.
SPEAKER_06Get there, get there, please. Please do. We might, yeah. That's actually I'm I'm actually gonna July 3rd. I'm gonna see if I can July 3rd.
SPEAKER_09So July 3rd. The same place the Sixers play.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so will you get us in there with the with the mics and we'll be able to do a couple interviews with other fighters?
SPEAKER_09Oh, you'll be able to I'll promise you. I promise you'll be able to interview me and I can get you uh, you know, outside our hotel. Love it. I can get you, I can get you today see whoever you want. Like, you know, Austin Trout's uh fighting uh Benjamin Bonner, which is uh the UK champion's fighting the American champion. If you know who Austin Trout, no doubt Trout is. He comes from UFC. Nice and he's uh holds the he holds the world 165 uh pound title.
SPEAKER_01But but let's concentrate on you right now. What's your favorite thing? What's your favorite thing about what you do?
SPEAKER_09I mean the people. Like I I honestly, I uh I'm a pretty humble person. I'm hungry, I've I've had a crazy life, but uh more so than anywhere is I want to show through action that anybody can do what I can do. Um there's nothing proprietary. If you work hard, anybody can accomplish anything. Like, I mean it. I know a lot of people say that sounds like uh you know a broken record, but it's true, man. I I feel that this is all matrix and we manifest everything.
SPEAKER_01Oh, you following our chords over here.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's that's that's that's the that's the walk that we walk. So so you um you said you used to train up here, right?
SPEAKER_09So when when you came in the Mercedes, I I lived up there as a as a youth. Um my mother, uh, my stepfather had lived up there. I went to Hammond Elementary.
SPEAKER_06Oh, Hammond.
SPEAKER_03So you're not very educated.
SPEAKER_09Oh I went to I went to OFA before before I was before I was taken out, before I was taken out of my uh my home, I was taken out of uh my home, but I went to OFA before that, like the middle school. Um, but you know, I have a lot of friends up there. I have a lot of supporters, I have a couple sponsors up there. Um Stone Fence Resort responds uh sponsors me, Big Cheese sponsors me. Um, so I mean I have connections through St. Lawrence County pretty deep.
SPEAKER_01That's awesome. That's cool. We love to hear that. Now, is there a woman division in your fighting?
SPEAKER_09Oh, hell hell yeah. Christine Faria is the baddest woman on the planet.
SPEAKER_01Nice.
SPEAKER_09She is the baddest woman on the planet. What's her? She is uh Chris Christine Faria, Miss Fit.
SPEAKER_01Misfit?
SPEAKER_09Then you got uh uh the uh Black Widow, um which is um again. Goodness, uh let me think real quick. It's okay. Brynhart and Sarah Shell, they'll be on there uh fighting. Uh uh Bryn Hart is, you know, she's she's made a real real career in this. She's like the reigning defending uh champion right now, and uh at 115 pounds, and she'll be fighting Dr. Sarah Shell, which is pretty dope.
SPEAKER_06And that's coming up on the July 3rd.
SPEAKER_09Yep, that'll be at the July 3rd card. But then uh the real claim to fame in Philadelphia is the fucking cannoli guy. His name is Johnny Garaberno or Gabrano or whatever the hell. But these people go fucking nuts for him. I'm gonna excuse my language, but they go absolutely nuts for this guy. He's gonna get his ass kicked this way, but uh that's uh but that's uh you know another story, and uh I'm no storytelling.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, you uh you're allowed to swear in the show. We swear all the time. Like we say fuck a lot. You speak our language. We say fuck. We swear you swear fuck sometimes. Yep, yeah.
SPEAKER_09I got the French from the beginning, the beginning gag that I walked into.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, well I'm I'm actually glad that that worked. I didn't think it was gonna really work with either. Then she starts talking. I'm like, wait, is he talking nuts? I'm like, wait, he thinks he's on hold right now. And it's cool. I was saying recording too, so I think I'm gonna throw that into the into the mix. What an insight. Or maybe I'll throw it at the end.
SPEAKER_03I uh I am a friend that fought because I'm you had a friend that fought me?
SPEAKER_09I do.
SPEAKER_01What?
SPEAKER_03Okay, who's it? AJ Tully.
SPEAKER_09Who I fought AJ a couple times.
SPEAKER_03Couple? Well, he only told me about one, so I didn't I don't know.
SPEAKER_09The disqualif the disqualification.
SPEAKER_03Uh no, I didn't watch the fight, so I don't I'm not sure what it was.
SPEAKER_09The disqualification?
SPEAKER_03He just told me that he fought.
SPEAKER_09That's the that's the only one that uh we fought on on books, but yeah. And the other one I uh ripped his arm out of socket.
SPEAKER_03Ooh. I love AJ though. We're gonna tell him together too.
SPEAKER_09He's also he's also he's also from Hammond.
SPEAKER_06Yep.
SPEAKER_09I don't know if you know that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so how do how do you know him? How do I know AJ? Uh I've known AJ a long time. Um well, the same show about AJ, but I'll tell you how I first met him, and this will tell you the kind of guy he is. Um I was putting a roof on my house, and uh I asked a friend of mine who's a roofer if he'd helped me on the weekend. He said, Yeah. And he comes over on a Saturday and AJ's with him. He was 19 at the time, and I'd never met him. I said, uh, he goes, Hey, my buddy wanted to come help. I said, Okay, well, I'm not paying you guys. And AJ's like, no, no. He's like, I just somebody is somebody needed a hand, so I come over.
SPEAKER_09I'm like, well, that's AJ AJ is a very, very cool, humble dude. Yeah, AJ. I have uh nothing, nothing bad to say about him. You know, one day maybe him and I can have a twilight fight in St. Lawrence County to you know do something there.
SPEAKER_05Sponsored by the Tat and Chat Podcast. He's run out of the game for a little while. He hasn't fought for a while, but he's gonna be a good one.
SPEAKER_01I'll comment the whole thing. Live action.
SPEAKER_09I'm uh I'm with uh the the guy. So he his last uh professional fight, he uh uh fought the cousin of the guy that I'm running with right now.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah?
SPEAKER_09Eddie Hawes. Yeah, he beat him. He beat him. Um so I was yeah, no, we we know AJ.
SPEAKER_06I was uh I was so I was checking out your some of your stuff, and so you're like you're like 35 right now. Is that what the is that what you're saying? Yes, sir. So so is what's what's where's the age limit in uh the bare knuckle world? Like what what do they what do they say is you're too old.
SPEAKER_09So I mean, there's there's guys like um Houston Alexander that is like 52 years old right now, and he's still rocking and rolling.
SPEAKER_06He's still Houston Alexander fights in the bare knuckle? Yeah, oh yeah, dude, he's four and oh right now.
SPEAKER_09Five and all, I'm sorry, five and all.
SPEAKER_06No shit.
SPEAKER_09I haven't seen him fight in a long time. So shit, dude. So here's here's my thing though. I'm signed until 2028, man, and I'm cool with that. June 2028, that's it. I want to get my 10 fights in, get my equity, because once you get 10 fights within the company, you start becoming part owner. Nice Conor McGregor is Connor McGregor's majority owner. I don't know how much you know about the industry.
SPEAKER_06No, I don't know, I don't know much about it. We're learning from you. You you fill us in.
SPEAKER_09Okay. All right. So Connor McGregor uh came in and he he, you know, wrote his uh you know, Green Irish horse in and he saved everybody with all of his money, right? And they spanned him, and you know, he's got a fight coming up against Max Holloway and da-da-da-da-da. I'm all worried about what's going on in front of me. But um, before that, uh David Feldman uh was the creator of BKFC, Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship. Before that, the precursor of BKFC was felony fights and the shit that uh Kimbo Slice used to do, you know, with Jordan Mass Vidal and Gada, you know, 3000 and all those guys, or 5,000, I'm sorry. Um but now it's just grown to such a contagious, such a um such a fast growing thing. Like it's it's perfect for right now, man. It's perfect for this day, this age, this time, you know, it's timeless, you know?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's well it's it's gritty. It's gritty, man. Like when you watch it, it's raw. And if anybody's been punched in the face by someone who can fucking punch pretty hard, when you watch it, I'm like, oh, oh I'm like, oh, again? Oh fuck you feel it. You're like, yeah, and I'm like, that was my tooth. I saw I saw something a while back. I saw something a while back where these dudes were fighting, there was hay bales around them. Is that like early bare knuckle championships?
SPEAKER_09So that's that's the Russian stuff. That's the Russian stuff. That's that's uh top top dog is what they I think they call it. Yeah, and uh that's the that's the Russian outfit of it overseas. They got Russian, they got UK, they got all these other things, but none of them, and I and I'm not just saying it because I work for the company and I fight for the company, but no company compares to BKSC, and that's the fact.
SPEAKER_06Well, I when I was watching one of the fights, I can't remember what referee. Was in there, but um maybe like Dan Mergliato or something like that.
SPEAKER_09Dan Mergliato uh when I when I I did my uh little bleach mustache.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah. I was gonna ask if you had that right now. Do you have that right now?
SPEAKER_09No, no, you know, that was that was actually something like kind of like for my mom. She was uh bat battling her second round of chemo, kind of like bring it back uh, you know, retro vibe. I shaved my head. There was like a whole thing going on there. Oh at that time, you know, nothing nothing against Leo. Leo is uh a former UFC fighter as well, that the guy that I fought there. Um I when I went to fight him, I I was uh ranked at 100, I'm still ranked at uh number 17 at 185 pounds. This fight's at 205. When I went to fight him, he was ranked number four at 205 pounds. Um, you know, I came in a little bit underweight and uh, you know, I didn't have my family with me. My mind wasn't really no excuses, no excuses. Leo, Leo, Leo, Leo put it on me, you know?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, but you were you you were distracted.
SPEAKER_09Leo put it on me, and I'll say this time, you know, I'm in one of the best shapes of my life to come up. Uh this guy that I'm facing next, uh Lex Ludlow, he's uh he talks a lot, he's a bully. And I I picked this fight. I picked this fight, I manifested this fight, and I'm gonna knock this this dude out. I'm gonna knock this out. That's what I want to hear. This this is this is what uh I what I'm gonna do.
SPEAKER_01How much does he weigh, first of all? 205.
SPEAKER_09205. This is 205. What about you?
SPEAKER_01You're at 205 right now?
SPEAKER_09So I'm actually uh two 211 uh yesterday.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god.
SPEAKER_09So I'm uh I'm right where I need to be. I'm uh I'm eating my Wheaties and running my rounds.
SPEAKER_06Bulking up. So is that what you're doing right now? I mean I I imagine two scenarios right now.
SPEAKER_09I'm running, yeah. I'm just jogging next to my guy right now, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, there's a there's a lot of cars.
SPEAKER_09We can we can Yeah, that's why you do the cars exactly.
SPEAKER_06And I'm not gonna move as as imagine either like a rocky situation where you run upstairs, go by the statue doing your shit, you know, or you had a flat tire and you're on the highway just talking to me, like not walk around with the phone, kind of like uh like a mob dude where just like wearing your own.
SPEAKER_01Making up the story.
SPEAKER_03You must be in pretty good shape because it it like the way you're talking doesn't sound like you're like extremely out of breath, like you're running.
SPEAKER_09Uh I'm not. I I uh I probably run a good 16 miles like every other day.
unknownDang.
SPEAKER_06So I'm here. I don't know if I've run 16 miles my whole life.
SPEAKER_09My buddy hates me right now. He thinks I'm an asshole for doing it, but uh, you know.
SPEAKER_05For what? Running while you're talking or talking?
SPEAKER_09No, no, no, like uh for making him run as much. He said he's never run this much in his life.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I need someone to get me to run a little bit. I pretty much walk from my house to my car to work, drive to work, and then I sit on my ass all day and tattoo. There's not a whole lot of running involved with that.
SPEAKER_01Listen. Every little bit counts. Every little bit counts.
SPEAKER_06Can you hear me? Absolutely. Oh, I don't know if you're not.
SPEAKER_01Listen, I'm listening.
SPEAKER_09I don't need to catch my breath. I breathe through my nose.
SPEAKER_06I don't need to catch my breath. I'm good. I'm gonna be pumped up. I can't wait to get it.
SPEAKER_01He's locked in.
SPEAKER_06So so this guy you're fighting on uh July 3rd, so what's his name and what's his uh what's his what's his record? Do you know anything about it? You know stuff.
SPEAKER_09Lex I know everything about him. Everything I need to know about him. He's a bully. He's he's an indie industry plant. He's one of those guys that has had a very pampered road, if I so say so myself, and I look to prove that.
SPEAKER_06Well, I I was reading some stuff about you saying that you like to uh He's gonna beat the dude with a silver spoon that he wants eating with. He wants the he's into the show, man. You want you wanna you just you don't give a shit about not fighting, you want to just fucking fight and put on a show for everybody.
SPEAKER_09That's a fact. That's a fact. Like, listen, I'm I am not I'm not in there to for for a coach to go to points. I'm I'm there to stand, bite down on my mouth guard, and and get a finish. That's what I'm here for.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it's it's it's wild.
SPEAKER_01So you're going to kick ass, is what I'm hearing.
SPEAKER_09I'm gonna put my face to his face to his face, feel his face off where the round of the face is.
SPEAKER_06So yeah.
SPEAKER_09All of it, all of it.
SPEAKER_06So you're going in with the with without you're not gonna have the blonde mutton chop style this time around.
SPEAKER_09You're going with your classic long I have long hair actually now, so and I and I did before too. You know, I have I have long dark brown hair and a long dark brown beard. So yeah, that was kind of like the exact opposite of my look. If you look at my profile picture, that's close to what I look like.
SPEAKER_06I'm mountain man. I think everything I've seen, you had the blonde beard, and I'm like, man, I'm like, he's definitely dying.
SPEAKER_09I love it. I love I love when they they they use that one because it kind of like gives a little deception of of who I am. You know? Who's this fucking guy?
SPEAKER_06What about the guy with the blonde beard? Who's this guy with beard? Who's this Viking coming in here?
SPEAKER_09You know what's crazy is like I did that, and then a whole bunch of other people started doing the blonde mustache right after. Trendsetter.
SPEAKER_01I was gonna say it was all for your mom, so good for you.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, for sure. So you know, bless her heart.
unknownAbsolutely.
SPEAKER_01She's still with us. That's even better.
SPEAKER_06Great, that's good. So you've been uh so how long you been with the the the bare knuckle for, you said?
SPEAKER_09So I've been fighting with them since 2022. 2022. And now I gotta I have I'm contracted with them until June 2028.
SPEAKER_06So so you were fighting and they just so they did you just renew the contract, or that's the the 2008 is very important.
SPEAKER_09That's my con that's my contract now. Yeah. Oh well, I've been fighting with them since 2022, and um I I wound up uh making my debut on BKFC 45. Uh Palomino Lily was the main event. Um I fought uh Mike Lee, which was uh pretty incredible. And then after that, uh went on to Prospect Series uh to Miami, fight uh Marcus Suarez, and you know, after that I fought the fight you've seen, and here we are. Yeah, well, four, four.
SPEAKER_06I I was looking for the yeah, I was looking for that fight. So you have this is your fourth fight coming up, and uh this is my fifth fight. This is your fifth fight. So um with them, yeah. Yeah, I can only find that one fight, and I I saw highlights of another one. Some dude he made a debut and he was doing like an interview or something like that, and I was trying to find it, but I I couldn't I couldn't find it. No, I didn't really know where to look, but yeah, dude. This is uh this is pretty exciting, dude. So this fight coming up, like uh it's kind of a big deal, man. Like I didn't re I until I was watching these fights, I didn't realize how big Bare Knuckle had gotten.
SPEAKER_09You should see okay, so now if you know how big Bare Knuckle is, see how big this card I am has on. Well you're fighting it's it is you're fighting at that. Oh yeah, we're competing for ratings with that one that just happened at the UFC White House card. I'm telling you. This is this 250 show is competing for those ratings. Well, I think we're gonna beat it. I I don't I don't look as much uh for the MMA other than more of like afterthought, you know?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, no, I mean you're you're in it, you're actually living it, you're doing the the bare knuckle, which is he doesn't have time for that. He's he's running right now talking to us.
SPEAKER_09That's right. Uh what I do, what I do is I make sure that I know as much as I need to know about the people that I'm going to be fighting. Like that's that's who I study, that's who I watch.
SPEAKER_01You do your homework. How many fights did you watch of this guy, honestly?
SPEAKER_09I've seen every single one fight that he's ever had. Um, I'll watch a lot of things, but it's not it's not just me watching them. I also have like a team watching them too. So it's like we start to notice different things, we start to study different things, and I mean I feel pretty good.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Do not get hit by your concern on that. We're like, holy shit, we know it's like, well shit, yeah. He got quiet one time, like, oh fuck.
SPEAKER_01I got so scared real quick. Well, don't scare me, and it's our fault.
SPEAKER_06Like uh uh Drew Nolan's been replaced. He got into an accident on the highway while he was running to some assholes on a fucking podcast. They got like five listeners.
SPEAKER_09I usually use my yellow vest while I'm out here. I didn't bring my yellow vest tonight.
SPEAKER_01Don't jinx that.
SPEAKER_03Can we bet like can you bet on uh on these fights?
SPEAKER_09Yes, you can.
SPEAKER_03Like through draft kickers.
SPEAKER_09I'll give you this the inside scoop of what we should bet on.
SPEAKER_01Heck yeah. Yeah, you can see a piece of paper here.
SPEAKER_06You got my you got my uh you got my number, so you can text me too. So I don't my Facebook does I don't really go to my Facebook very often. So you can this is just myself, so you can text that number.
SPEAKER_09You may be talking to my you may be talking to my wife if you're talking to me on Facebook. I'll be honest with you. I mean, I'm actually rarely on social media. Yeah, I I should just like reaches, you know, and and does like I I I own her the world. I wouldn't be anything without my wife. You know, she's the best. She's the coolest person ever.
SPEAKER_06I get it. I think that's kind of how we're all in that situation here. Like that's I know people are always like, oh, you got this, you do this, you do that, you do this. I'm sitting thinking, I'm like, you know, I I do have a successful career, but I don't know if I'd have half the shit I have. She wasn't standing behind me going, Don't do that. No, not don't worry.
SPEAKER_09I I would I would be doing nothing and I would be nothing if it were for my weren't for my wife. And I over the world. I really do. What's your wife saying? She is the Ashley. Ashley, shout out to Ashley.
SPEAKER_06Ashley, good job. Keeping this guy at the end.
SPEAKER_09She is, she's she's she's my angel. She she saved my life uh more times than I can count. Aww, so been with her for a decade, and uh we have four beautiful children together, and I'm I'm a very lucky man.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_09I I I won't I won't uh pretend any otherwise.
SPEAKER_01That's so sweet.
SPEAKER_09I don't I don't uh I don't do uh I don't drink. I do smoke weed occasionally, not when I'm training, but uh I don't do drugs, I don't do any of that crap. I didn't I can't say that I never did, you know. Like I said, we've all been in dark places before. Um but she saved my life and uh I'm a better person because of it.
SPEAKER_03Four kids. Sounds like you're not sticking to the no sex during training thing.
SPEAKER_09I mean, well, yeah, I'll let you use your imagination, I guess.
SPEAKER_01Yes, doing yoga too, Josh. So I was gonna ask you yoga.
SPEAKER_09See?
SPEAKER_01Stretching is important, Josh.
SPEAKER_09Yes, I do. I I do I do yoga meditation, I definitely do running, I do calisthetics, I do everything that I'm supposed to do, or I believe I'm supposed to do.
SPEAKER_06That's beautiful. I um yeah, yeah, I was gonna you were talking about it a little while ago, and I was gonna I was actually gonna ask a question. So you said you have a team. So do you have like a coach and stuff? Do you have like uh or like is it like how how how is your team like set up with you?
SPEAKER_09So I tr I train actually like a lot of places. So I train in New York sometimes, uh out of the Capitol region, um, you know, with a bunch of gentlemen there, but then I also train here in Michigan. My favorite place to go and train is in Buffalo out of Team Hurt and Bad. Uh Coach Mills, shout out to you. Um Coach Bagley, uh Capitol Region, um uh Coach Warren out of out of Colorado. Like I'm a little bit everywhere, man. I'm a I'm a I'm a floater. Coach Kuhn over here in uh Big Rapids, Michigan. Um uh so the different strikes in uh Traver City, Michigan. Um I'm gonna be I can't tell you who else I've been training because I don't know who's listening right now. But uh I got some secret partners too. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_06He's got such a team. So um so I you have a bunch of tattoos. You haven't got any tattoo in a while? Like anything recent or are is that all old new stuff? What's that? Your tattoos, you got a bunch, you got a bunch of tattoos I saw.
SPEAKER_09Uh so my wife does tattoos too. She she actually does tattoos. She's not she's not uh like you, she doesn't have a shop or anything. I'm just her her little doodle pad.
SPEAKER_06Oh, well, I was gonna say that's awesome. Well, I was gonna say to you, I was like, you know, this is cool. You came on the on the podcast and you're hanging out with us. I thought, if you win that fight, do you have a do you have a bare knuckle tattoo?
SPEAKER_09I don't have a BKFC tattoo. So you is that what you're gonna do for now?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I'm gonna say you win that fight, come here, and I'll give you I'll give you a bare knuckle tattoo.
SPEAKER_09Not if, not if, when how about this?
SPEAKER_06When you win the fight, you come up here, we do a tattoo on you, because you have people here anyway, and we'll have you live on the podcast, and we'll you know, we'll we'll we'll actually have you sitting in the chair and uh we'll celebrate together. We'll give people a tattoo and uh these guys can just just grill us with whatever kind of questions they want. Way to insult our guest, Ethan. They're like, why why uh why is he crying? Isn't he a isn't he a fighter? Did he just pass out? Did he pass out? I'm just kidding. I'm just fucking with it. Yeah, dude, that yeah, that's really cool. I'm glad you reached out, and it's uh small world, right?
SPEAKER_09It is, it is. I I'm so happy to see your success too, man. I've been following you for a while too, man. You know, I I'm doing great things.
SPEAKER_06I suck at social media, especially for the community.
SPEAKER_09I suck at myself it's not even your social, like, just like you have a great influence there. Everybody, everybody appreciates you. You you when you go into a room, you really energize it. And I and I seen that right away, man. Well tell that. So I appreciate you. Kudos to you, Ethan.
SPEAKER_06I appreciate, but you now you need to tell that to Josh. He's always what he's ridiculing me and making fun of me. He called he called me he called me fat on the airline. He called me fat one.
SPEAKER_09In 2026, he's using fat. Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_06But he said PHAT fat, and I accepted it. I said, Oh, P H A T fat. Okay. You're fat, Ethan. PHAT fat.
SPEAKER_03That's what he has painted on his own. That's what he has painted on his knuckles. Fat body. PHAT. There you go.
SPEAKER_06Well, that's a good idea. I should do that.
SPEAKER_09Well, what do your knuckles say right now?
SPEAKER_06They say, kick your ass. No, they don't say nothing. I got I got some uh I just got some symbols and they're wearing out pretty bad. Like I got a little UFO, I've got a little uh Bill Cipher pyramid, a dagger, and I got a pencil. But I want all my fingers to have things that I do. I want to have a paintbrush, I want to have like uh guitar pick, I got shred on one finger, I got create on the other. Because I shred a guitar.
SPEAKER_01Create, it says crut. It says crut. It says crut. Like a crust?
SPEAKER_06Was that Spanish for create?
SPEAKER_01C-R-O-U-T-E.
SPEAKER_06C-R oh man. Yeah, I'm gonna be. My fingers have crust crut. But like I love pie crust, so it's okay. I love bread crust. My hand says yep. So how long you gotta run for right now?
SPEAKER_09Uh until I get to this location for this guy, and then I gotta run backwards. So right now it's I got six more miles this way, and then another probably seven back.
SPEAKER_06Like literally run backwards the rest of the way, or just yeah, run back. Well, not no, just turn around and then go back. Oh, I thought it was great. I was like, man, this guy's fucking hard. Oh my god. He's running backwards. And the best part is BB's talking.
SPEAKER_01Fuck Rocky, bro!
SPEAKER_06He's talking. Just as long as I'm on the hop, man. As long as I'm on the hop. He's Donaldson, he's talking, yeah, man, it's all good. I'm running backwards right now through this. Beep me. We're gonna start hearing horns beeping and stuff. Look at all the road, you crazy fucker.
SPEAKER_01That's hilarious.
SPEAKER_09It's so, it's so people are so cool out here. Michigan is such a such a refreshing place, man. Like, I live in I live in the woods, man. Like, I live out in the woods, I love where I live. But like it's like I can go into the city out here. Everybody knows who I am, everybody smiles, everybody waves. You know, they have like regional MMA events here. They allow me to go in, you know, say something during the halftime. I'm pretty stoked. They treat me very, very well around here.
SPEAKER_06So you're kind of like a rock star on your own way over there.
SPEAKER_09Well, like I said, I don't I don't really uh appreciate like uh I don't I don't like hero worship or like idol. I think that we should all be our own heroes, but if I can inspire somebody to inspire themselves, I think that's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_01Here's what I want to know. What is your favorite thing to eat right now?
SPEAKER_09Um, I mean McDonald's. I'm actually no, I don't eat McDonald's. I I do I do drink the coffees, I will say that.
SPEAKER_00Um that is so Josh, it is such a Josh thing to say.
SPEAKER_06I always bust Josh's shops. I'm like, I said we're gonna eat McDonald's. I said, he's like using McDang bang. I don't need your cool. You drink the coffee down there.
SPEAKER_09You literally almost said exactly the same as I'll drink the coffee. I uh I try I try to eat whole. If that does that make any sense, I try to eat whole foods. Just uh, you know, I I want to know the source of whatever my food is. Um that's about like how I could say I eat. Um, I mean, obviously I love steak. We can't always afford steak, you know. That's like, you know, the a luxury, you know, maybe I'll get like you know, two, three times a month, which I'm excited about. But uh I mean that's I'm I'm humble, man. Chicken is chicken is chicken, uh, you know, uh you know chicken and vegetables. Chicken and chicken and vegetables, man, you know, we'll just uh eat a tremendous uh tremendous amount to keep myself going today. I was uh doing a little bit of an intermediate fast, so I'm on one today. A lot of coffee and uh water.
SPEAKER_06So when so when you're training for this shit, like so she she asked what you ate for food, like how many calories are you estimated to be burning a day versus what you're intaking?
SPEAKER_09Like you I know you're eating whole food, so you're eating a lot of like that's a that's a that's a good question. Um, you know, it depends on I because I weigh myself twice a day. Um when I get up, it'll depend on where my weight is. I I don't want to get too exceed I want to make sure that I keep keep a tremendous uh a good good amount of weight on probably five, six pounds heavier than my flight weight, but I don't want to go too light, you know, because then I then I have to like over overeat and I don't want to overeat. So um I don't know, it's it's it kind of depends on how it depends on the day. It depends on how I wake up, it depends on a lot of things on my calorie and you know. I generally don't eat uh I don't eat three meals, I'll eat like two meals. Okay, and there'll be a lot like larger meals. Um interesting. I drink a lot I drink a lot of water and a lot, a lot more coffee than I probably should, but yeah, you know, I pretty much only drink water.
SPEAKER_06Water is the safest to me. I drink that and tea.
SPEAKER_09When I when I get when I get you know the first thing that I'll do though when I'm I'm done with my fight is I will go and drink a Coca-Cola. I love that stuff, but it's so bad for you. So bad for you.
SPEAKER_06I'm not a soda person. I uh like water is my main my main go-to, but I I like McDonald's too, and as we were talking earlier, and Josh knows he's he will not join me for lunch. He made us eat McDonald's on the show one night.
SPEAKER_01It was so awesome.
SPEAKER_09It was too much. I'm just convinced uh McDonald's is some somewhere between Soil and Green, man.
SPEAKER_01La la la la la. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06She's she's ignored, she's singing over you. She doesn't want to hear all the bad words, but we will get a professional fighter, but I'm with you right now.
SPEAKER_09Are you familiar with soil and green?
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_09Oh yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. That's McDonald's to me, man.
SPEAKER_03I don't eat it like I I don't I I don't like not eat McDonald's because it's not good for you. I just think it tastes like ass. I don't eat any fast food, and it's not like it's keeping me in good shape, but you know, I just don't like it.
SPEAKER_09You see, you guys still got uh Dixie Lee chicken out there? No, it's gone. Oh I used to love their hot sauce when I was there, man. That was that's why it's had amazing, amazing hot sauce.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, you know, the funny the thing that got weird about that place, there's a couple weird things that happened with that place. One was someone took it over, and uh apparently they were just going to like Price Chopper or like Aldi or something like that, and buying like the banquet fried chicken, and they weren't you they weren't using the recipe and they were frying that shit up and serving the people. I heard, I don't know if it's true, but that's wild. And then another thing I think happened there, did you hear about the guy who was going around um robbing all the Amish a couple years ago?
SPEAKER_09I I did I did not hear that. I did see, so I like I I actually went up there and I you know did my uh little renaissance probably not not even a year ago. I I went up there, visited everybody, you know, visited my old homes, you know, had a good cry to see my childhood homes and all that, you know, nice stuff. Uh but uh everything's owned by Amish now.
SPEAKER_06Well, everything's so what happened was they someone was going around stagecoach robbery? No, listen, so no, someone was going around robbing Amish when they were at church and shit, and they were going to people's houses and just breaking in like that there'd be one kid home. They said, show me the safe, and they'd rob them. Well, I guess they went to Dixie Lee and they tried to rob them, but one of the kids working there, I remember thinking the dude who chased the dude's like uh chased after him, they had a gun and they ran away holding the gun because I don't think they really wanted to shoot, or maybe it wasn't loaded, and the dude realized it chased them out and they caught him, and that's how they caught the people, or something like that. That's great. I don't know that story's that I don't know how I want to believe. I don't know what part of my facts are correct.
SPEAKER_09Dixie Lee banded, huh?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, well, that's where it ended. It ended with Dixie Lee. The person working chased them out and got it.
SPEAKER_09Don't fuck with that chicken.
SPEAKER_01Nope.
SPEAKER_03Don't fuck with that chicken. That's that hot sauce. Dixie Lee chicken. Don't fuck with that chicken.
SPEAKER_06That'd be good. That's a good little slogan. They're Don. They're Don.
SPEAKER_09I I hope maybe they'll maybe they'll hear this podcast and they'll revive it somebody.
SPEAKER_06I think there might be one, I think it was a Canadian company, or people from Canada owned it. So I think somewhere it's it's in limbo, or there is another one. I don't but I don't know where it is. I I could be wrong.
SPEAKER_01It is a limbo.
SPEAKER_03I wish Taco Bell would hear my commercial idea and make that a commercial. What's the commercial idea? I hate Taco Bell. Haven't I said that? Major disgusting. Yes, you are. You know how like when you you go Yeah, see Renee said I I have said it before. Yeah. I'm not gonna You just just look back. It's in the first season eating. Yeah, eating. In season one, I'll go back to the Taco Bell commercial. So you know how kids are like you they're always picky. They're always like, you know, one kid won't want lettuce on the taco, one won't want sour cream on the taco, one won't want tomatoes on taco or whatever. So you just pull up to this is a commercial, you pull up to Taco Bell in a minivan, and you get a bunch of kids in the back, and you order that big box with what 10 tacos or whatever in it, and you just get the Supreme, and you hand out the tacos, and they're in the back and they're bitching, I didn't want lettuce on mine, I didn't want tomatoes on mine. And the dad, he's just like he he gets sick of it, so he's like, Just scrape it out the window. So the kids are just scraping lettuce and tomatoes and stuff out the window, and then the car driving behind them, they're leaning out the windows, catching all the taco in their face.
SPEAKER_06That'd be hilarious.
SPEAKER_03It'd be good as a cartoon.
SPEAKER_06That's insane. So check it out. That is insane. We're we're at the tail end of our cast right now. Drew and um I uh we're gonna start this joke. We're gonna we're gonna start ra we're gonna start wrapping things up. And uh no, he's getting ready to tell a joke. You got a joke? Uh sure, I'll tell a joke. You're gonna stick with us for the joke. You wanna wanna hear a joke?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, of course.
SPEAKER_06We always end with a joke. We always end with a joke. Josh has got some good ones.
SPEAKER_03Did you hear that Mickey and Minnie were getting a divorce?
SPEAKER_09I did not hear that. After all these years.
SPEAKER_03Yep. Yeah, for uh read the judge's reading, and he says, it says here for the reason you're getting a divorce, uh, Mickey, it says that you think Minnie is funny? And Mickey Mouse says, I didn't say she was funny, I said she's fucking goofy.
SPEAKER_02Whoa! That's a mic drop right on right there.
SPEAKER_06That that was a quick one. That was a quick one. So anyway, Drew, it was awesome having you on. I'm I'm actually gonna really I'm gonna talk to my wife tonight and see about possibly trying to make our way my way down there. You you guys, we should we should we should try it? That'd be really cool. Maybe we'll get together and we'll we'll check it out. But uh good to meet you.
SPEAKER_09If you do, if you do, we'll set up something at the hotel lobby and we'll or whole hotel room or whatever, and we'll uh we'll do something live.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, for sure. That that'd be really cool.
SPEAKER_09And uh before or after, that's on you.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, no, well, I I got your number so we can communicate. But so July 3rd, so tell what what tell us the details so we can keep having on the podcast.
SPEAKER_01Give us the address and everything.
SPEAKER_09July 3rd, Xfinity Mobile Arena, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Come there, see Drew Hardbody, beat the ever-loving shit out of the favorite hometown hero, Lex the Chudlow. There we go. That was not too much. His name's Ludlow.
SPEAKER_06That's good. You got it. You got it. Sounds good to me, but let's go. Drew, awesome coming on. Thanks for reaching out. Thank you, Josh Renee. It was a cool conversation with you. And uh, we will be in touch, Drew. Bare knuckled championship fighter. Drew, no. Let's go. I'll be throwing some money down on you. All right, man.
SPEAKER_09Let's go.
SPEAKER_06All right, man. All right, have a safe running. See you guys next Tuesday. Peace. Yeah. All right, peace. All right, later, Drew.
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